Comments on: Saint Therese of Lisieux http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/ Jesus, God of my heart, come and unite me to Thyself forever. Sun, 20 May 2012 20:26:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Mimi http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-292 Mimi Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:54:56 +0000 http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-292 I know many Catholics who have a special affection for St. Therese, I appreciate learning more about her, thank you. I know many Catholics who have a special affection for St. Therese, I appreciate learning more about her, thank you.

]]> By: michelle http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-291 michelle Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:59:44 +0000 http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-291 I do agree with you that St Maria is "not in the model of Orthodox monasticism", but these is much to be learned from her life. My husband pointed out to me that St. Isaac of Syria was in fact a Nestorian, not even Orthodox. And he is a major figure in the Orthodox Church. I don't want to be a person who judges others. We can learn from people by the good things that they do and by the bad. No saint is necessarily the ideal, save the Theotokos. I pray that God will open our eyes to what we can learn from all those who confess the Christian faith. I do agree with you that St Maria is “not in the model of Orthodox monasticism”, but these is much to be learned from her life.

My husband pointed out to me that St. Isaac of Syria was in fact a Nestorian, not even Orthodox. And he is a major figure in the Orthodox Church.

I don’t want to be a person who judges others. We can learn from people by the good things that they do and by the bad. No saint is necessarily the ideal, save the Theotokos. I pray that God will open our eyes to what we can learn from all those who confess the Christian faith.

]]> By: Vara http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-290 Vara Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:56:29 +0000 http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-290 I am only repeating the official position of the Moscow Patriarchate, which is final in all cases regarding Russian saints. I am very sorry that such things are creeping in amongst us. In any case, I am personally well-informed regarding Ms Skobtsova, and her life is not in the model of Orthodox monasticism. Not only do we disagree, but, I fear that any veneration of Ms Skobtsova is not general save in fringe groups. We should leave this at that. Pray for this sinner. The times we live in are not "normal". May God preserve the right. I am only repeating the official position of the Moscow Patriarchate, which is final in all cases regarding Russian saints. I am very sorry that such things are creeping in amongst us.

In any case, I am personally well-informed regarding Ms Skobtsova, and her life is not in the model of Orthodox monasticism. Not only do we disagree, but, I fear that any veneration of Ms Skobtsova is not general save in fringe groups.

We should leave this at that. Pray for this sinner. The times we live in are not “normal”. May God preserve the right.

]]> By: michelle http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-289 michelle Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:04:03 +0000 http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-289 Here is a link regarding St. Maria: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Maria_Skobtsova Here is a link regarding St. Maria: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Maria_Skobtsova

]]> By: michelle http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-288 michelle Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:03:03 +0000 http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-288 I have a friend who was recently chrismated (last September) and her saint IS St. Maria Skobtsova. I do not think that the bishop would have allowed for my friend to take St Maria as her saint unless she is, indeed, a saint in the Orthodox Church. I am sorry that we do not agree on this point. I have a friend who was recently chrismated (last September) and her saint IS St. Maria Skobtsova. I do not think that the bishop would have allowed for my friend to take St Maria as her saint unless she is, indeed, a saint in the Orthodox Church. I am sorry that we do not agree on this point.

]]> By: Vara http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-287 Vara Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:00:33 +0000 http://orthodoxy.michelle.themccallums.org/2007/10/22/saint-therese-of-lisieux/#comment-287 Ouch! Therese is not a saint! NO Orthodox church accepts her as such except for the vagante masqueraders at New Skete and (I believe) the loony-left fringe of the Paris Exarchate (the same folks who gave us “St” Maria Skobtsova (unrecognised by no major Orthodox Church, INCLUDING the EP!). Why not write about real saints such as St Matrona the Blessed of Moscow or such real elders as Fr Ioann Krestiankin (+2007) or Mother Varvara of Pyukhtitsa (still alive)? Ouch! Therese is not a saint! NO Orthodox church accepts her as such except for the vagante masqueraders at New Skete and (I believe) the loony-left fringe of the Paris Exarchate (the same folks who gave us “St” Maria Skobtsova (unrecognised by no major Orthodox Church, INCLUDING the EP!).

Why not write about real saints such as St Matrona the Blessed of Moscow or such real elders as Fr Ioann Krestiankin (+2007) or Mother Varvara of Pyukhtitsa (still alive)?

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